Let's keep America safe...... (Political Discussion)

by Thirsty @, Friday, February 10, 2017, 12:21 (620 days ago)

First we elect a president who wants to protect Americans. Then we riot to allow people that want to kill us to come in. It is becoming obvious that we want more 911s. President Trump is fighting to keep the American people safe by calling a temporary(90 day) restriction on people entering our country from nations compromised by radical Islamic terrorism. But the media has gone to extreme lengths to tear it to shreds and lie about it to us.

Twenty some years ago I gassed up in Innsbruck, Austria, located halfway between Germany and Italy. Paid $66 for 10 gallons of gas. Then paid another $66 to take the tunnel to get to Zurich, Switzerland. Intention was to go into the Zurich Bank and open an account just say we have one. Drove around the bank six times but was afraid to stop and get out of the car. All those beautiful old building were covered with graffiti. There was a park across the street from the bank full of druggies laying all over the place. And many stereotype hookers wearing miniskirts and smoking cigarettes.

Rome fell when they lost all their morals. I believe we are laying the groundwork for the collapse of this once great country. Our new president can not save it all by himself as long as one judge can shoot down his attempts to keep us safe.

Let's keep America safe......

by nan6649, Friday, February 10, 2017, 19:19 (620 days ago) @ Thirsty

Thanks for the message, Thirsty. I think all those protesters need a good reminder of 9/11. I'm all for helping out and doing the Christian thing, as we all come from God; however, it's scary to think that a few undesirables may slip through the cracks and start raising hell over here. And what are they going to do when something like that happens again? Blame the government, blame the President, and demand that something be done immediately. It seems that the immigrants want the right to impose their laws and beliefs on us, making the American citizens change to their way of life. I'm sure all of us have ancestors that came here from some other country and had to assimilate. Do they think it'd be any different if we went to their country? Guess again.

Let's keep America safe......

by mrse @, NORTHERN WI, Friday, February 10, 2017, 20:45 (620 days ago) @ nan6649

To the both of you >>>>>>NICELY PUT<<<<<.:-)

Let's keep America safe......

by Thirsty @, Friday, February 10, 2017, 22:58 (620 days ago) @ mrse

This is from my grandson in his social work classes:

My concern I guess stems from wanting to put citizens first before any other class of people. I believe people that come here from other countries need help, and perhaps my emotions got the better of me, given that this has been a hot button topic, that being said, I feel we need to take stock of what is happening within our own country first before trying to solve everyone else's problems. I don't believe in this issue of whiteness as I have had discussions with academics of various different skin colors and when I broke down things in a more class-based way, it made more sense. For instance, why do poor whites in OK vote Republican? Because of social issues primarily. If the dominant culture is the majority, why is that any way bad? I look at France and the situations regarding no-go zones and various things being done to women there and it disgusts me. I am not saying all refugees are bad people, but just like how Abu Ghraib was a black mark on ALL of us in the military, the reality is, the actions of the few speak for the actions of the many. And that's where my fear lies. I feel that Sharia Law runs contrary to the Constitution. That is something that I have a deep reverence for, anything to challenge that mindset would be a hard pill for me to swallow. If I had to work with illegals or refugees, I would treat them as people, I would also refer them to someone else, that's the bottom line, it's been my stance for a long time, and it's not something a few semesters of social work classes are going to change. This has been my stance since high school and was something I ran for office on in 2012. I have a huge problem with unvetted refugees coming into this country.

How can we as social workers be more effective? By partnering with international aid groups in assisting impoverished/underrepresented peoples in various nations to be able to take ownership of their own lives and to rebel/renounce tyranny themselves. This is why the CIA has a clandestine program, this is precisely why Special Forces exists, this is precisely why we have international aid groups, but why can't we take this a step forward? Why can't we embed ourselves into the CIA, USSOCOM, and other agencies, like Civil Affairs attempts to do, but this would be more. This would be a civilian-military partnership in advocating ways to help train people in severely underdeveloped/civil war-torn nations to engage in various operations against tyrannical governments. This is what I think would be the MOST successful way to advocate, rather than just uproot people. People need to take care of their own problems, re-settling them in a nation whose own values run contrary to their own does not seem like the best of ideas. When I see CAIR and other people attempt to explain away Shariah Law and try to say it does not run contrary to the US Constitution, I have to shake my head and laugh. Then I realize that this is a clear and present threat to all people in America. My mind operates on a level of what is best for the longevity of the Republic as a whole, not whether some person from a far away land will be inconvenienced for not being allowed to live here. So I hope this clears things up, it's not paranoia, it's the fact I've seen some reports that scared the crap out of me and these are real dangers posed to our nation by unvetted access. Does it sound terrible for someone who aspires to be a social worker? Yes, yes it does, I admit that. What I am saying is rather heartless. However, instead of allowing myself to be emotionally involved by asking, "what if that was me." I have simply disassociated myself and looked at all facts and resources I have available. If anyone here ever read the Manchester Document, you would see why maybe, just maybe I have some pretty strong fears. I will post it here as it is publicly available. It is Al Qaeda's guiding strategy. Also, when you see footage of a disabled Iraqi girl forced to blow herself up by her father at a carnival, you kind of lose a lot of trust in anyone at that point. Again, I am not trying to elicit fear, I am trying to explain why I am. I have a lot of regrets, but the things you get access to at the classified side makes you not even want to leave the country.

http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/10-al-qaeda-manual-found-in-manchester-tr... I couldn't find the FBI link anymore, but this is the exact text as I remember from doing some work. Again, completely unclassified. Please read this. This will help open minds as to why I care so much about wanting to take the fight rather than surrender.

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Let's keep America safe......

by Oldnewbie 1 @, Stiles, Monday, February 13, 2017, 06:38 (617 days ago) @ Thirsty

The link doesn't work. Gov.
removed?

It did work last week-end.....

by Thirsty @, Monday, February 13, 2017, 12:43 (617 days ago) @ Oldnewbie 1

This is what I get now:

Forbidden...... You don't have permission to access /documents/ on this server.

It did work last week-end.....

by sparky @, Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:54 (617 days ago) @ Thirsty

Maybe they think you're a spy.:-D

I went to the Doctor for my annual physical and everything was fine. He talked me into a pneumomia shot, and the nurse came in and and gave me the shot, well she put the needle into almost the top of my shoulder, and I am really in a lot of pain, I can't hardly lift my arm. Does this sound right? I think she put it into my muscles or hit the bone, I think I am going back there and see what's up.....I think at my age I am thru with shots. Then they wanted to give a flu shot, and a couple I never heard of, so I said no.

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It did work last week-end.....

by gg @, Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 01:29 (616 days ago) @ sparky

I went to the Doctor for my annual physical and everything was fine. He talked me into a pneumomia shot, and the nurse came in and and gave me the shot, well she put the needle into almost the top of my shoulder, and I am really in a lot of pain, I can't hardly lift my arm. Does this sound right? I think she put it into my muscles or hit the bone, I think I am going back there and see what's up.....I think at my age I am thru with shots. Then they wanted to give a flu shot, and a couple I never heard of, so I said no.

Sparky, If you'll move this to another page, for discussion, I'd like to make some comments to you, but I won't do it on the Political page if it pertains to medical issues.

Let's keep America safe......

by Suzie Q @, Friday, February 10, 2017, 22:43 (620 days ago) @ Thirsty

I was all set to be horrified had Hillary won, but I wouldn't be looting, trashing and burning stuff. Less disciplined people are doing all of the above. I understand their frustration because I had been terribly frustrated the past several years under Obama. Many people may not have any intention of being destructive, but by being disrespectful, they are giving a stamp of approval to people that are. I was NOT set to vote for Trump..........he was at the very bottom of my list, but I could not justify voting for someone that advocates late term partial birth abortions and while both of them lie, of which I am not blind to that fact, Hillary lied while under oath about the safety and security of our nation and some of our military lost their lives because of it. Right now I am remembering everything we lost on September 11 due to the actions of some fanatics........the very people that are shouting 'Death to America' and are trying to enter our country. Have we learned nothing? Our President is attempting to take steps to keep us safe. I highly doubt anything is going to happen in the next couple of months while all this travel ban controversy is going on because the terrorists do not want to give the American people any excuse to suddenly support the ban and immediately at that. But WHEN .......not IF......another attack occurs, who is going to get the blame? These people.....NOT ALL OF THEM, JUST A FEW.......are not coming here to learn our ways or make 'nice' with us. They are indoctrinated that we are infidals and need to be destroyed. How in heavens name will it be absolutely possible to decipher who is who is beyond our comprehension and skills, but we have to set some limits and try.

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by Just me @, Green Bay, Saturday, February 11, 2017, 09:25 (619 days ago) @ Thirsty

Amazing seeing all the protest signs saying "Refugees Welcome Here"
Why don't we see signs saying "Homeless Vets Welcome Here" or "Young and Pregnant Welcome Here" or "Homeless Welcome Here?"
Just saying we need to take care of our own before babysitting others!

How I feel

by jjohnson, Sunday, February 12, 2017, 07:28 (618 days ago) @ Just me

I just can't comprehend why anyone would vote democrat anymore. This isn't the same party as it once was. I was a strict democrat 12 years ago. This party has changed so much. It once stood for people's rights,.. America rights. Now it face is murdering babies, lgbt rights, refugees and abolishment of Christianity. These politicians are for who ever puts the $ in their pockets. Republican are no better imo but trump isn't a politician and is doing everything he said he would do. I fully expect an in depth criminal probe into crooked lying murdering Hillary. President trump may be brash and bold but he does what he says,.. all for one penny a year. I wonder how much $ the Clinton n Obama have stolen from you and I?

Let's keep America safe......

by sparky @, Monday, February 13, 2017, 08:02 (617 days ago) @ Thirsty

Our judicial system was set up to protect you or us, they have equal power with the president and the congress. They are set up to protect us from a poor president or congress. It would be very easy for a president or congress to make many laws that would hurt us too. It would be very easy for a president to make travel restrictions on a class of people, then to decide to put it on all people. Then what would you do. Think it's not possible? Think again.
One discouraging thing I heard last night is the President and congress are thinking of pulling Medicare and replacing it with a voucher. Then what you going to do? Of course they have to find money to build his wall....When they cut medicare, all you old folks will be out protesting.... See ya out there....

Let's keep America safe......

by meatball @, Monday, February 13, 2017, 11:12 (617 days ago) @ sparky

The medicare thing is FAKE NEWS

REALLY????

by jimbo_jack, Monday, February 13, 2017, 12:09 (617 days ago) @ meatball

Better started watching and reading the real news and not faux newz.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/paul-ryan-says-medicare-privatization-is-o...:-D

REALLY????

by Suzie Q @, Monday, February 13, 2017, 12:42 (617 days ago) @ jimbo_jack

This could potentially be an incredibly positive thing (to go privatization). The government is notoriously famous for running just about every program into the ground by 'borrowing' from it. Our Social Security is a perfect example if I understand it right. I heard the Republicans get the credit for that. Well done, guys............(NOT)!!

REALLY????

by jjohnson, Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:23 (616 days ago) @ jimbo_jack

Real news? Please post a reputable source other than a democratic political news source... Say Fox or nbc or cbs or abc... And I wait,...

REALLY????

by Suzie Q @, Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:36 (616 days ago) @ jimbo_jack

JUST saw another commercial..............President Trump saying he is going to save our Medicare and Social Security. One thing appears to be true.............when Trump SAID/SAYS he is going to do something, you better stand back, because the speed with which he does something will blow you over. Proof is in the last three weeks. Will there be glitches?? OF COURSE! We are human beings, not machines that you can program. But I am way happier with what he has accomplished and INTENDS to accomplish than the 'other' option. Either one would have changed the course of history but the 'other' option would have changed it for the worse if the direction of Obama's 'legacy' was any indication.

REALLY????

by Kartking22, Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 19:30 (615 days ago) @ Suzie Q

Suzie Q, Your views of Trump have been noted. He is a billionaire who doesn't care about his verbal abuse of people who are bringing this country down. It's time for someone to tell the truth about what is really going on with our country. I didn't spend time in the Marine Corp to give our Country away. What have you done to protect this country?

REALLY????

by mrse @, NORTHERN WI, Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 19:56 (615 days ago) @ Kartking22

:-)

REALLY????

by Suzie Q @, Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 21:56 (615 days ago) @ Kartking22

I paid my taxes which paid your pay check while you were serving, so we all serve in different ways. If I could have had another choice at the time, I would have. I'm almost 67 y/o and still working and, of course, my taxes still go to help pay the military, so I'm still doing something for my country and will probably continue to do so for several more years.

REALLY????

by Smokey, Thursday, February 16, 2017, 06:07 (614 days ago) @ Suzie Q

There were 5 candidates running for the presidency. There were 5 choices. As for paying taxes, everyone pays taxes, including Kartking. I bet his/her family paid their taxes to pay his/her salary also. Oh wait, I bet TRUMP didn't/doesn't pay taxes! Remember his words when accused of not paying his taxes during one of his debates " And that is because I know how to play smart".

REALLY????

by Suzie Q @, Thursday, February 16, 2017, 08:40 (614 days ago) @ Smokey

But that was the point..............there wasn't anyone out there even close to beating Hillary.

REALLY????

by Smokey, Thursday, February 16, 2017, 16:16 (614 days ago) @ Suzie Q

Well at least you voted. I don't agree with how you made your choice, and you won't agree with mine either. My candidate may not have known much about Aleppo, but I feel good about casting my vote for the candidate that I felt really did have our country's best interests in mind.

REALLY????

by jjohnson, Thursday, February 16, 2017, 12:09 (614 days ago) @ Smokey

Hmmmm as I recall the Clinton foundation has done the same exact thing. Funny how that got left out.

REALLY????

by jjohnson, Thursday, February 16, 2017, 12:14 (614 days ago) @ Smokey

Other awesome words that I recall hearing from such an honest party

I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN!!

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